do pros bend their irons stronger

However, given the fact that you can bend your golf clubs for as little as $5 by taking them to a professional club fitter, its probably best not to attempt it yourself if you dont have the right equipment. I wish I had 95 mph with anything. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Loft angles are adjusted mostly for consistent distance gaps throughout the set. Takomo Golf Clubs Review: (As Good as Expected? Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] It is all about fitting. Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. But back to the original question, to sum up: Weakening lofts or going to weeaker lofts refers to increasing loft angle going from, say, 27 degrees in your 5-iron to 29 degrees in your 5-iron. But is bending your golf clubs really a good idea? Play a draw, no more or less than standard lie. Some really do need more upright lies. Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Taking your irons to a pro and letting them get to work on your behalf is undoubtedly your best option. You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? 6 iron 29 183 Yes, when we talk of bending golf clubs, the iron family are the best candidates. This applies to both face angle and lie. It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. Pasted as rich text. Fitting.. gives you a choice. By the way, thank you all for your input! Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine:Get Bending! Contact Us [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='144131685' post='12246270'] It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. Display as a link instead, Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. [/quote] Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. Basically almost all irons we offer on ExactGolf like all Miuras, Honmas TR20, Vegas and some Mizunos. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. A lot of higher handicap players have an over the top, steep down swing so 2 deg up helps cut down on slicing, particularly with the longer irons. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft. or gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. It is not the old chestnut that more upright causes heel to dig in early and cause a more left (draw/pull shot) but that a more upright causes the face to be facing more leftward at impact (than it would otherwise do) - stick a pencil on to the face of your 7 iron so it faces out at 90 degress to the face and if you then hold it exactly level on the ground it (the pencil - and the face) will point at your target. For Example [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] I would be VERY patient during this process of changing your ball position. But he said that the standard lie/loft(?) Are modern irons with stronger lofts easier/harder to hit - GolfWRX Sign up to receive product offers and news! Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. Product Instructions & Manuals However, before opting to have your golf clubs bent, wed recommend speaking to a custom club fitter. MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! While there is no way to say if any of that would be a problem or a benefit, it certainly will not have the same effect as tweaking the loft. and this is just for practice! Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. Given that bending your golf clubs is all about fine margins, its far too easy to get it wrong when you do it yourself, so its much better to entrust the process with a fitter who has the experience and the right equipment! Ping Tour Gorge 50SS, SM5 M-Grind 54/10, TM Tour Preferred 58/10 get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. [/color] [color=#282828]This made me wonder about messing with lofts and bounce (not to mention offset). Mickesgolf Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. You will notice the strike feels much more energetic and the ball flies totally different when you get it right. enjoy the game and enjoy your new irons: standard lie, loft and length works for 90% of recreational golfers. Then again this is all coming from a low spin player. I agree with these two reasons here. Its all about ball flight and gaps. Some people do it to improve their ball flight, while others do it because they think that their golf clubs have been poorly manufactured. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. YOU have to be in control trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. One way to make the necessary adjustments to your golf clubs is to bend them. Irons Bent stronger - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX ), Are Cobra Golf Clubs Good? 3W&5W: CallawayEpic Flash I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Just because you have 130 yds to pin doesn't mean it's automatically a PW..depends on alot of factors Bending the loft is another story. I'm curious about this as well. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Pasted as rich text. If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. The most common reason for playing a stronger loft is to fill a gap in the bag, usually the long irons (lots of 4 irons bent strong) but throughout the set it would be uncommon to see more than 1* difference from standard either way. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell 6-iron launch: 17* Players have been doing this for a long time. Display as a link instead, 8 iron 38 160 Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. thanks[/quote] [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] No, they are talking about the lie, not the loft. Could be the flatter lie angles. Mickesgolf After all, manufacturing golf clubs and ensuring the loft and angle on each club is no easy feat, so its not something that you should experiment with. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. They should be leading and flat. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. To be bendable the iron has to have the proper heat treatment or annealing that will allow bending - let's make the assumption that quality irons indeed have this treatment. You could bend them stronger but like anything there's a chance something breaks. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By [/quote] A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? 6-iron launch: 17* Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. Both Rory and Day hit big moon balls. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. Learn how to control your irons from multiple ydgs. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1444396444' post='12432280'] gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Ordering & Information XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Tour Player's loft's on irons? - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX It's all about control and the less flex, the better the control. ENTER NOW! For example, the mizuno MP forged blades (for low cappers) are flatter than the mizuno MX cast cavity back irons for the mid and high capper. Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this They should be leading and flat. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Thanks everybody for the help! Clubs are mass-produced with certain manufacturing variances in every factory. [/quote] The flex will be X-stiff or XX-stiff for the strong pros who hit the ball a mile. (I think) I know this isn't real complexI guess what I'm asking is, I'm not sure what he testedI'm guessing lie since I hit on a board. See What Members Are Saying! as many have already said, a more upright lie sort of "fixes" the leak to the right. The irons Well the mid-irons are the perfect place to start. PING's i210 are the second most popular with 8 using them. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? [/quote] Hogan was big into this. Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. As far as launch angle goes, that isnt really as important on irons because you have so many of them (compared to 1 driver etc). [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] Club bending can go wrong pretty easily, and its a mistake that you dont want to make with your irons! Here are the lofts of the irons in that set. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. PGA Tour players swing the club fast. You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. Pw from 48* to 45*), that I will completely mess up the grind and . So he decide just to make them all 3 degrees stronger instead of shortening them. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. If youre struggling with the current loft degrees of the irons in your bag, then changing the angle of your clubs by bending them could help you improve your ball striking. All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. The biggest effect is on the bounce. You can post now and register later. [/quote] Pros and cons? So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. So tweak to fit your gaps IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. [/quote] [/quote] 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. Pw 47 125 bigo2398, August 31, 2015 in WRX Club Techs. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? The #1 reason for doing this is it changes how the club will sit on the ground. After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. To avoid this, make sure to take your irons to a golf pro at least once a year. Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. After all, you dont want to ruin the make-up of your clubs by getting your angles wrong or by using a homemade contraption. Nike Vapor Fly 20*, ATX Tour Green 85TX What to consider when bending golf clubs - ExactGolf To make sure shots are flighted properly, lighter shafts are usually used in stronger-lofted models, like the KBS Max in Callaway's Rogue and TaylorMade M4. While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. 1001 Industrial Blvd So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Display as a link instead, 10.5 set at small - We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. What Are The Degree Loft Of Golf Clubs? | Golf Monthly 6-iron launch: 17* Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" Clear editor. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210), Titleist Scotty Cameron Futura X7M Putter and Stitch Polo XXL NWT, NEW Taylormade Stealth 2 Plus 9 deg. Yes, when we talk of bending golf clubs, the iron family are the best candidates. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. Terms & Conditions Can I bend my irons strong? - Golf Clubs - Team Titleist It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. Nike Vapor Flex 9.5* Left/Low, Rogue Max Low 75TX I think its mostly because I have better spin rate with the mid-long irons now, although I never got any numbers. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). On the one hand to adjust the lie individually. 6 iron 30 180 When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'][quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] So I play my irons 2 deg flat. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. a few generalizations about lie angles: short golfers (think Ian Woosnam) will often require flatter lies; tall golfers (think Tom Weiskopf) will often benefit from more upright lies. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. [/quote] Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. However, correcting the loft and angle by bending the clubs is a super quick way of fixing this issue. Abandoned Golf Courses for Sale (How Much?). If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note where the player's 'natural' lie angle is - ie the neutral/normal lie angle as above - but then intentionally bend the lie angle to mitigate their hook/slice tendencies. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. [/quote] I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Bending irons to stronger lofts and the effect on bounce Used to be 6'1" but I've shrunk a little. [/quote] Another reason why stronger lofts don't always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 235 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. 7 iron 32 171 Ok thanks ya'll. When i play alone i use the 3-4 and 5 irons more to see how i hit them but otherwise i use 18 - 21 and 24 degree hybrids as they are just a no brainer on how they are a better choice for someone who has a slower swing speed .. however i wiish i could still hit irons instead every round .. You can post now and register later. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Maybe a little further, maybe a little lower, maybe to change bounce, maybe just looks/feels better. 7-iron - 30 degrees. Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine: Get Bending! If you strengthen iron lofts, how much does bounce become an issue? I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Annealing ensures a more consistent grain structure in the metal; heat treatment makes the head hard enough to withstand constant golf ball impacts. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Your link has been automatically embedded. Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. In some cases, due to the softness of our forgings, "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. If there are a more than normal amount of clubs that you are seeing like this then I do not know what to say. [/quote] There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. And that changes the flight of the ball right? And that is forged soft steel clubheads and there are several forging methods and processes available. that is why the standard lie angles of GI irons will be more upright thant the standard lie angles of a " players" iron, even among the same manufacturer. Maybe different shafts could reduce dynamic loft and reduce spin some but not a lot. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. I would tweak loft to adjust my distance gaps. Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. This is a more upright lie angle.. Clubmaking: Bending Golf Clubs - A Necessity For Lower Scores - Equip2Golf I'm curious about this as well. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. He use to shorten all of his irons half inch. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. Still have questions? These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. The loft of an iron should be adjusted according to the golf course you play. It is as basic as that. GIVEAWAY! ENTER NOW! GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By as others have already pointed out, there is no fixed standard lie (just like there is no standard loft) which means that one set of irons "bumped" up by 2 degrees may have the same lie angles as a different set of irons that have not been adjusted. Pasted as rich text. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. I tried to do a search for this topic, so if it has been disscussed I apologize. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. I think most guys out there play less or equal loft to most retail sets out there these days. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. Naturally, I assume that bending lofts to play stronger will decrease the effective bounce, just like on a wedge. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. **. I think I know the answer, but would love to hear everyone's reasons. You cannot paste images directly. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now.