Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. 1. It is hard to avoid them though when they are buying up companies left and right. But yet they have been included in the list. Ferry-Morse. "There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm," wrote Aldo Leopold, "One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery" When we remove ourselves so far from what is actually going on in our food supply, we basically give the large agribusinesses carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as the shelves are always stocked.Now, with that being said, there are benefits to genetic engineering that are often overlooked in the conversation. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously since before Abe Lincoln was President. OK :-) Thank you for telling me the rules. 0000518594 00000 n You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. Always have for 30+ years. Saying such a tragic thing is like Chicken Little saying the Sky is Falling, as if it were on equal grounds with the gravity of the rest of this. Im worried about foods produced with GMO seeds that are not digestible and create immune reactions, and plants that do not feed insects and birds and animals. Once of the great things about capitalism is that we can vote with our buying patterns. [3] Its profits continued to be stable until 1865, when Ferry bought out Gardner's share and took over the company. Are all Ferry Morse seeds heirloom? Five Ways the FDA Has Failed Consumers on Genetically Engineered Foods 2013, http://ecowatch.com/2013/03/07/fda-genetically-engineered-foods/, USDA will not take action in case of GMO alfalfa contamination, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/17/usa-alfalfa-gmo-idUSL2N0HD1SQ20130917. Both a little assertive. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. There is so much common ground between us, it can easily become eclipsed by the emotions surrounding this issue. Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. It goes against my core beliefs. This logical flaw is similar to "Denying a Conjunct" (wiki link where it is defined). Model # 629313.1220.199.9085. Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, West Milford Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Ilchester Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Suffern Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers. If anything the larger companies have less questionable variety development. Also the list is also, "or sells small percentages of seed from them.". National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice, reference from the British publication Nature, the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published, https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf, using taj mahal quartzite for kitchen counter. [14][15], In 2021, Central Garden & Pet acquired Green Garden Products and its brand names Ferry-Morse, American Seed, Livingston Seed, McKenzie, NK Lawn & Garden, Jiffy, SUPERthrive, Dyna-Gro and Seeds of Change.[16]. Monsanto owned seed brands OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL That is pretty depressing. Does Ferry-Morse have a catalog? Add to Cart. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? --, That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. There are also plenty of graphs showing the overlap of government officials that make policy and Monsanto employees which is more worrying to me actually. I have not responded to each point you've made because my posts would become much too long. And to report something that is fearful, is 'using fear as a weapon'? Yours is a textbook statement of the fallacious logical argument of appeal to fear / argument from adverse consequences. This is just disrespectful. A marketer and a preacher are two even handed words in my vocabulary. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. This link gives an explanation of their position on Monsanto and GMO seeds: http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm. Or is it just that you reject the idea that it could possibly be a frightening outcome? In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? And calling my contribution, 'a mess', that you were expected to clean up. -- and what I said, which was that getting the word out produces an awareness of GMOs as an issue. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. 0000011324 00000 n Wouldn't it appear they are trying to have a monopoly on seeds? I trust them, that they are on the same page as I am about protecting the seed supply from Genetically modified seed. They only bother to genetically modify major commercial crops. In 1981, the Ferry-Morse Seed Company was acquired by France's Groupe Limagrain. Do you realize how confusing that is? Again, I gave you alternate suggestions of how to hit Monsanto's bottom line so much harder, that included not purchasing Round-Up, not purchasing Miracle Gro products, and not purchasing the commercial Zima tomato product, which I thought would make you happy since it is conventional Monsanto seeds and the growers conned Monsanto into giving them an exclusive, which prevents all home gardeners from getting this conventional seed, even though it is super delish and was developed conventional before Monsanto bought them out. Nearly 70 percent of gardeners said they buy most of their seeds from mail-order vegetable seed companies. Is that your point of view? 0000010117 00000 n Two people posted about two seed companies on the list. To learn from a debate my partner needs to provide quality information. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? I asked you to clarify what you meant. Silly scare-mongering. Really, a good rule of thumb is that if an article criticizing GMOs doesn't mention DuPont or Syngenta, they really don't know what they are talking about. So, because of all these conversational choices youve made, from my end, it feels more like a monologue instead of a conversation. You accused me of labeling you. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. 0000536667 00000 n And for the sake of argument, lets say that Monsanto is not now selling GMO seed to home gardeners. I was already questioning whether the list would be credible or not. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. I am comfortable with my reply, and understand where you are coming from. [7], Meanwhile, in 1874, R. W. Wilson began a seed-producing company based in Santa Clara, California. I don't consider myself "torn" as you've interpreted from my writing. Seminis seeds are carried by many popular garden catalogs, including Burpee, Park Seed, Territorial Seeds, and Johnny's Selected Seeds. Infowars, the site where the article came from, is not at all what I would consider an unbiased source of information. Do you usually answer questions with yes or no answers? For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold the soil which, as it turns out, creates a well-aerated pot for healthy root growth. I said --. Not all information regarding Monsanto and GMO's is good or even close to good. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. Ferry & Co. [ edit] Ferry seed catalog for 1900 Their catalog is a wealth of information. I disagree, that only when you are trying to convince someone of something, do you need to win their favor. If any of that information is inaccurate, maybe someone on this thread can point out what it is. Ferry Seed Company merged with the California based seed company C. C. Morse Company in 1930 to become the Ferry-Morse Seed Company. Compare $ 1 99 (1) Model# 0069. Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. Go back and look at the first three comments made in 2015. 0000509934 00000 n -- if that is correct, than what you are saying is that you do choose GMO. Not because of any dislike for you, but for what I would consider obvious reasons, that the discussion was not constructive, which I said. Large companies, consolidating and growing into mammoth organizations, to me, are responsible for a lot of ill effects in the world. However, flooding in rice growing regions has caused some major problems for rice growers, and those who rely on it as a food source. Nature has a non-aligned editorial board and attempts to be on the cutting edge of gold-standard research in the public's interest. The recent development of the "Golden Rice Project" has aimed to genetically alter the staple crop to provide vitamin A to people who depend on rice for sustenance and as a result of their diet, often suffer severe deficiencies in the nutrient which can cause blindness and increases infant mortality rates in the developing world.In fact, as the worlds population continues to grow, use of GE crops shows significant promise to stabilizing the worlds food supply. Model# 9507. The real unfortunate part of it is that disagreements between well meaning people like us add to the confusion of someone trying to learn more. Because, after the Seminis buyout, Territorial and others were purchasing some seeds from a Monsanto subsidiary, some really nasty rumors got started that Territorial, Johnny's and others are owned by Monsanto. Territorial is owned by Tom and Julie Johns, who have owned the company since they . I have selected one or two only at a time to respond to and even with those I have written at least as many, but I think plenty more words than you. My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. I bought them last year and it was so convenient not to have to search all over the place for some of the items. Youll have to show me where I have labeled you. Between Monsanto having all the wealth on their side, to blanket us with their own carefully crafted PR campaign and the government having the power to give them carte blanche, it's easy to see why those that oppose what they are doing have a hard time being heard and understood. Do you think the "Natural" or "Original" Species of plants ( and maybe other organisms too ) will go extinct because of the GMOs overpopulating the Whole World? As should every living person on the earth. And providing a link that I alerted you to, that I had not checked out, is not exactly a flaw. Instead of simply looking for companies that are owned by Monsanto to avoid, I can also direct my attention to these small, regional, seed breeders who are producing quality seed that is suited to my garden. Add to Cart. You only have to look around at many examples of when we have done that. [5] Morse built the company up, and in 1884 bought out Kellogg and incorporated as C.C. 250 Milli-Gram Eggplant Black Beauty Vegetable (Seed Packet) Model # 466437.199.906735. I am not concerned about losing varieties of seeds as you are. However there is one point I can beef up. 0000535956 00000 n Ferry & Co.[2], The business grew steadily and, in 1879, was incorporated under the name D.M. You will find it is considered baloney by reliable fact-checkers that published a peer reviewed study which concluded the the rate of suicide has no correlation with the cited GMOs in India. I have no complaint about you personally, only with the incompatibility of our conversational style and how that interferes with us gaining any ground in either of our positions on this issue. Molanic, I just finished reading that article in Mother Earth News. Articles like that are written for people who think that every nonsense thing they read on the internet is true. Companies are bought and sold every day in the seed business, and the corporate owners usually have nothing to do with the good people working at them who are hard working employees, many who like gardening and natural living, like me. But you claim that you do. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? But because I dont know you, and because you continue to state your intentions are good, I choose to believe that you dont understand how adding this kind of analysis to the conversation becomes a problem. And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. We feel a deep sense of pride and responsibility to carry on the tradition of these brands by delivering high quality products including OMRI listed Organic plant food and 100% Non-GMO seeds. 0000536287 00000 n That is the scariest part to me too. Monsanto mounts an aggressive GMO PR campaign 2015, http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Bite/2015/0318/Monsanto-mounts-an-aggressive-GMO-PR-campaign. You still dont know that they wont at some future time. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. I just wish the world could be as calm about it as you and I. Prior to his work, tomatoes were considered ornamental rather than edible! We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed . And more detailed explanations about what you meant and what you think. No, Pupilla, I did not tell you millions of people were dying, a link I posted reported that, which I asked if it were true, did I not? Our History. How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? I've ripped out invasives in my own property. Add to Cart. When the purchase was finalized, I was out on my rear without a job, so if anyone has reason to be unhappy with them for political reasons, that's me! Web-equivalent of footnotes. Of course, papayas are not as important a crop as rice, the fact of the matter is, GE crops are not always 100% bad. I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. I haven't bought a herbicide or insecticide. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. And I wonder if anyone has thought of trying to convince shareholders to stop supporting Big Agriculture? I was reminded that 10 giant chemical and pharmaceutical companies now own 80% of the world's commercial seed. I haven't bought a non organic commercial fertilizer in 30 years of growing. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. A more reliable source of the seed companies owned by Montsanto can be found on this link: https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf. And you thought these suggestions would make me happy? And why would someone who likes gardening and natural living work for a company whose stated goals are completely against your values? So who is it that began the never ending GMO debate? Thanks for bringing them to my attention. Ed, thanks for posting. You dont even know the reason why Monsanto is buying so many seed companies. And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business.". And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? Ferry-Morse. I was happy with that purchase too. I'm going through them all :-). I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. Check. :-). 0000003294 00000 n You want to make your own decision, I haven't reread the entire thread again, but I certainly have said nothing to attempt to take that choice away from you. And the hyperbole"Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". All McKenzie seeds are 100% Non-GMO. It does not refer to anything specific and is just disrespectful. Although, how do you easily find out who owns these companies? If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. Bayer acquired Monsanto (an American agrochemical and agricultural biotechnology corporation founded in 1901 -wiki) in 2018, who had acquired Seminis (the largest developer, grower and marketer of fruit and vegetable seeds in the world - wiki) in 2005. [10], In 1981, Ferry-Morse became part of France's Groupe Limagrain, the largest seed producer in the world. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". 0000018840 00000 n I cannot support misleading people for political ends. I see some noble motive given to something, like trying to cure disease attached to the pursuit of biotech methods, but many other motives become more the focus as that pursuit develops. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. (And FYI has been working on GMOs) Worse then Urban Outfitters, which has modeled clothing after Nazi Death Camp uniforms and been cited for use of (possibly involuntary) child labor? Now I doubt their whole list. Territorial is also good, just to throw another vote on them too. 0000001396 00000 n Charlevoix operations continued until 1927. It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. Since 1897, gardeners have trusted American Seed to provide the best value in the marketplace. Add to Cart. Their focus is on preserving varieties of seed that gardeners and farmers bring to North America when their families immigrate (d), and traditional varieties grown by American Indians, Mennonites and the Amish. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. I'm sure I have done my share of that, too. No company sells GMO seeds to home gardeners. Others have posted that the link is on some random site that makes no effort to insure quality information and that anyone can post anything they want, no matter how misleading, inaccurate or incomplete it is. This is so sad. The crop employs nearly a third of the worlds population. Do you realize that many people already are avoiding all soy and corn because of the difficulty now of finding non GMO soy and corn? hb`````pd&03EY8zT'00a@,d/Dy ) d|HXDh+3&0%18?`aeT,&1gh)smi`8pIni`!ah k\w'@w06` Y0:tcr4#0 3: endstream endobj 575 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[28 494]/Length 39/Size 522/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream If they word "bow" creates linguistically more negative emphasis on preaching, which may be true, I should replace it with words that do not. McKenzie continues to set industry standards while being conscious and responsive to the growing concerns involved with food: cost, quality and safety. So why is it still being discussed? As a matter of fact, I don't even find it clear and understandable. California now has the same disease. That was not the complete information I was looking for. If you have some complaint about something in my post, then clearly state what that is. Why buy from a company that you can't trust? GMOs dont seem to concern you. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus. 3. seedsNOW Better to leave the door open! But in this reply you conclude in your post again referencing India with another false dilemma sometimes called The Appeal to Fear in a conclusion that is built on multiple conjectures that you have, and has also been called fear-mongering by others (but not my description of choice since I prefer to call it a logical fallacy). 0000493049 00000 n I have tremendous respect for what they are trying to do. False is false. They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. Our Brands Green Garden Products Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed companies in the United States, having been in continuous operation since 1856! 0000001737 00000 n Please research the 250,000 suicides issue you referenced in the earlier post. That's about it. :-|. That coincided with my first efforts to begin gardening and their organic, 'love the earth' approach was like a life line. The Associated Seed Growers, Inc. ("Asgrow") was formed in 1927 when seed competitors Everett B. Clark Seed Co., John H. Allen Seed Co., and N.B. I hope to be able to continue having options to grow all conventionally bred varieties, including Better Boy tomatoes, therefore I will have no part of any boycott of wholesome, certifiably organic vegetable varieties smearing them so that they eventually might become discontinued and lost forever to those of us who like to grow them. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher.]]]. 0000518883 00000 n They bought the seed company Seminis in 2005, as well as several smaller companies. 4 Steps for Keeping Monsanto OUT of Your Garden! - The Healthy Home I will not throw my favorite large red hybrid tomato, developed before 1970, under the bus just because Monsanto bought it. I purchase more seed from FEDCO, than Monsanto (Better Boy, Early Girl). The first time I let it slide because you said you hadn't time to read as much as you would like and were unsure about the accuracy of the sources. Well wishes to you too. Also, government regulators are not reliable either! D.M. Pupilla, if you didnt intend to discuss GMO, then I cannot understand why you would enter the conversation and object to a boycott of GMO seed companies. If you feel I have offended you in some way and you want to respond, then I will continue until you feel satisfied. I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. I don't expect that me avoiding buying their products is really going to put a dent in their bottom line, but I still don't like giving them my money. I buy native plants and grow organically. I will continue to grow my varieties no matter who makes them since any home garden variety I can buy is GMO-free so it is a no-brainer since I like the variety I should stick up for it because tomato seeds don't have a voice in this mess and they will be lost forever, and anyone boycotting home garden seeds that Monsanto bought will only contribute to the loss of these varieties since Monsanto is only a friend of its shareholders and with the stroke of a pen will stop producting these varieties and make them lost forever. Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . At this point in time, I do not have the time and did so reluctantly because I felt obligated to respond to your 2015 post addressed directly to me. So, because I have discussed avoiding GMO seeds, I am deliberately manipulating people and bullying them and using fear as a weapon, with an argument that is illogical? I've already made my decision and I did enough research before I did to feel very comfortable with my choice. I am not looking for an argument and wish you well. [11], In 2005, Groupe Limagrain sold Ferry-Morse to Jiffy International. Perhaps they were a little more subtle. I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. Then I read: "Johnnys Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. I saw that article in my travels but didn't have time to read it and I almost posted a link to it earlier. hbba`b``3 10 [T endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>/Metadata 26 0 R/Pages 25 0 R/StructTreeRoot 28 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 524 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 1/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 525 0 obj <> endobj 526 0 obj <> endobj 527 0 obj <> endobj 528 0 obj <>stream They read any random thing, take it as gospel, and think they're informed without considering the source of the information, the bias of the author, or the fact that data can be manipulated to make any theory true. [g] Not always easy to get what is in your head clearly down on the page. 0000002615 00000 n 0000519553 00000 n A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. I use $0.50 worth of seeds each year from it. If there is, it is a very thin line, despite your long explanation of why they are not the same thing. Thanks for the rest of the links.
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